I took a read here and then looked at this from all view points.
Before I start, Lets take something from this.
If you do not see your self as on the bad side of what is said then you must not be who I am talking about.
But if you do feel some how you have been pointed out, Hmm, Do you want to stand on that ground?
In the end I point out who hates and could care less or who uses what ever they can to segment a group of beople just to say we all should hate them.
I point out moral and law are not the same and can be even be against each other to a great extent.
I hope there is no person who is so hate filled that they can be at ease and say this was aimed at them as it would just prove my point 100%
On one hand, lets reset the clock to long ago and look at this.
If you had any thoughts about the same gender then you were put to death.
If you (to be so blunt using a word I don't use) were a whore, You were killed too.
It was death to all that did not conform to a single standard.
But this guy who walked on water jumped in one day when a whore was going to die and and told others to go on and do it if they were 100% perfect. They all left.
Well, standard changed for love of live.
Now, the place we all hear started this "only straights allowed" was where some strangers who were from you can guess just walked into town and the people wanted to get it on with them.
Yes, A towns person hid them in his house but the people wanted them to do what ever.
What does the protector do?
Take my girls, Please!
Interesting way to protect and also note he did not drop dead for being ready to do so.
But what next?
OH, the lady who looked back was wacked. WOW, just looking back when told not to after all that has gone on so far and before.
Well, Now what?
OH yes, The said daughters got him drunk and screwed him to keep the blood line going. Did anything happen other than it being left alone?
Nope, Not like what happen just before as the places were destroyed.
(I hope the simple version is easy to follow).
So, some place in the good book people get the idea if your black then you are trash. What? That seems anti christian to me to make a human trash.
Well, WAY BEFORE THAT, Adam and eve (oh yes, not adam and steve, what ever). Now how do you think a female made of his flesh is related?
And how do you think all the humans on earth got here? On a space ship?
If you are the type who uses the good book to wack people then guess what, you are related to EVERY PERSON ON EARTH! You have the same mother and father!
Did that slip by?
Then fast forward to some rules in the Bible.
How do you solve rape?
Force the male and female to stay together for life.
What? She is going to be beat every day and the kids will be a mess in that family.
Or, Option 2...
Pay gold.
You must be kidding me..
PAY YOUR WAY OUT?
Now in the 80's as a child I remember how all people who split were just full of sin to people.
But the good book says give her a letter and the only sin is to marry her again later.
So all the good people who solve their issues and get back together and make a story one could make a movie out of are the ones who sin?
What a mess!
Now, Lets take a look at what people say are his perfect creation. Male and female only. Ok.. lets look.
So, if the all powerful makes only perfect things then explain how as it is said a child had done nothing wrong is born with some of both gender parts or all I will not go into but have looked into and also family is into the field be it nurse,doctor,what ever and I have heard enough to say what people think and what truly happens is at times WAY OFF.
But I am a christian. Christ was here and is as far as I see it the most correct version of morals as even he (if you look close at before him and after) made many so called rules of morals go out the window.
He never forced pay to give sight to the blind or kill someone for being different.
Hate is the highest sin there is.
And the exact place where he was killed is where we get our moral orders today from rome.
I know the good book well. I said the above to be as short and clear as I could be and know there is some things left out, but the over all picture makes the point.
If you do not respect others rights, If you harm another, If they are not wanting something and you force it on them, If you think you can destroy a person because you do not think what they do is right. Well, You get busted as a sinner.
I say I am a thinking christian.
I take the clear parts and that guides me.
I never take somones word for a moral till I look as ALL sides.
I look at history even before the bible was wrote.
What we have is a major issue in walking the talk.
We do not help who can not pay for meds (sin, christ healed and that was that, no pay. To see it any other way is just to ease your mind).
We stone people with words and hate when we are far from ever being able to.
We make up a moral idea and put force behind it when it serves us to segment groups of people so there is someone to hate and we can say we are better than them.
Black, white, male,female, and all shades of color, race and gender and body shape and size of what ever parts they have..
Thay are and have been and seem to keep being used to keep the fire of hate going so those who hate have a group in common to hate and not look at them self and what they do wrong or who they do wrong to.
On this site we have many points of view.
But I also see lack of respect for others at may times and a lack of knowing history of how so much has changed that one may need to think before tossing a stone at another.
What is a law?
Is it a moral?
NO.
Do you follow a moral or a law if they are at against each other?
Do you do all you can to rid the law if it is so?
This has gone on forever.
Legal age to get married and laws that never were at one time and no one had an issue.
Does anyone know in the USA it was not a big deal long ago to marry at age 9?
I have hear one say we live longer so we did not need to marry so young or just fill in the blank why as so many even in law have a different 100% so called answer.
Once we were forced to be with who family picked.
All you who love oral and anal, that was VERY wrong and illegal reguardless of who you were and what you thought.
Just think of the word:
Sodomy (/ˈsɒdəmi/) or buggery (British English) is generally anal or oral sex between people or sexual activity between a person and a non-human animal (bestiality), but it may also mean any non-procreative sexual activity.
Now guess how it got that name?
Remember the places that got wiped off the face of the earth?
Sodom and Gomorrah (/ˈsɒdəm ... ɡəˈmɒrə/) were two cities mentioned in the Book of Genesis and throughout the Hebrew Bible, the New Testament, and in the deuterocanonical books, as well as in the Quran and the hadith.
Now, should we go back to telling all that you can not bea part of oral and anal sex at all?
Even today there are states that still have laws that ban it.
But does that stop anyone?
It would seem moral and law and what some think are now against each other.
Now how messed up is that LOL.
Now we all seem to be fine with oral and anal sex on this site, right?
Even to tie up someone and make them black and blue bring blood to the surface?
All people who have so far told another what is right and wrong may just be at issue with a law or moral them self.
Hmm.
But we fight to remove the oral/anal laws, right?
What makes one illegal act a joke and another something to stone someone over?
In the end, A group of people who think something is wrong and want to make it so for others.
It is nothing more tody than who has the most people in that group who does not like what the other does.
Hate to say it, But thats the cold hard truth.
Weed was a BIG NO.. Well, till now and look at the changes.
Guess one side got more people on that too.
If you take a step back and look real hard we see all we do when we say something is illegal is truly saying enough people at the time a law was made had the larger number.
A moral is (one has any) something inside and the laws you have and can not break them.
We get morals not from birth, but from others and life.
First from our parents (good or bad).
Then how we are treated when very young starts to take hold.
Then its a mix of what we feel matches our thoughts or something that might even make us see something different in a way we change and change our morals or internal law.
Or some just drop them all and go wild.
What else is law?
The unsaid law.
If you have enough power, You are your law.
You get out of any moral and law others set in place.
Thats gone on forever.
So, lets look at not being straight.
Don't shoot me.
I have right to say something if you follow the below.
It is a long read.
But I think it is clear I have much that gives me the right to talk on much and not be called bullshit.
I seemed to question what I was as a YOUNG child and find a place hid and safe to use soft round and small things to probe and explore odd feelings that I just liked with no thought of gender or even another person.
What ever somehow made me want to keep touching and exploring just was that. It did not feel bad and I was drawn to it.
As a very young child that knew nothing of sex, Was I a bad person?
Was I doing wrong?
How would I know.
I was not even old enough to be told about the birds and the bees!
I developed VERY early feelings years before my body even showed change.
How did I see other boys and girls my age?
If they were not doing all they could to hurt me and call me names, I just wanted to be friends with anyone nice and no strings to it.
Did I wonder how my body looked VS theirs?
Yes.
I feared not knowing what made us different.
I was the type I wanted to learn all I could about everything.
Later as tested I was found to have a high IQ that if not an average was extream in some parts of logic.
But I had emotions too. Not a cold fish I hears someone say.
Be adult or another child around my age, If hurt I would go to them to help.
What I got was not good at times. I learned to fear the deep need to run and try to help.
Adults not knowing I was much more older for my age would yell at me to get away even when all I offered was if they needed me to get another adult.
Other kids would just take out thier feelings on me when they coulf not do it to who hurt them.
I learned much about how people act based on what they saw of me as a child that age.
I never was the type to harm or join in others who did.
But was also excluded for not being in a group.
It was a hell of being alone and hated as I was an easy target for others to as a group or for them to be accepted by a group to just make fun of and hate for only not beating the crap out of them for what they did to me.
Some adults saw this and were very nice to me.
I had at least someone at school I felt safe to talk to and be around.
Others saw all that happen and just knew I had to be the cause of it all and they made my life hell.
I feared everyone.
I was truly alone at school and felt not even human as something had to cause why all I do to be a help or share or all I did just went to hell before me.
Thats one clue why the world is what it is today. Look how people were as kids and if they never learned then why should they change what worked for them.
But I would dream of a world where it was not that way.
I made my morals and added them to what I was given by parents.
I could have hated. No. I did not. I always looked for better ways.
Why say all that?
To give a clue how hard it was to figure what my feelings were when no one was there I could talk to or even see how they acted as I was never that close.
I assumed males liked females. It must be something as it gave feelings thinking about seeing adults. And back then it seemed only straights were allowed to see the light of day as I never saw any thing but.
As I grew up a few years I saw other talk about the group QUEEN and so on and I did not want to be talked about like that so I focused on females.
My mother was a bra burner, But not wild and someone who was not going to take no for an answer got a shoe to the face and head till they backed off when she was in school and was in a car on a date.
Dad was a vet from a war as all the males in my family.
Grandfather was kind but protective (mothers dad) and had a wild sexual young life so I learned much of life hearing his stories.
Just so you know were this is going, See what I had to go on to figure what I was.
I still liked all the feelings I explored in all ways alone. All getting stronger as each day passed (yes, still a kid).
SO, a little info.
Being the hell others in school were, DO YOU THINK I HAD ANY SEXUAL WONDER ABOUT THEIR BODY?
I had some as they were my age.
But they hated me.
I knew what was the right way to love. Yes, love.
I formed a law in my self that you do not share your body to any person who does not care greatly for you and your feelings and life.
I found the teachers who some were so kind and felt for me seeing all put up with to be what I was interested in.
Do you think I should be around who cares or hates? Logic time folks.
I knew being young they would need to act and be a way or I was not going to do a thing.
Yep, The creeps I avoided and was dead on as they got caught truly abusing kids even from my view at that age.
The soft and kind love I started to build my own ways arounf must have started then. I knew what I would and would not do and how they had to treat me to be truly something real and lasting.
Yes, I was thinking long term and that was the facts beleave it or not!
If a female teacher was willing to tech me all I dreamed then I was ready and knew to watch for trickes and people who did not care.
Nice was nice, If it seemd like it was just to get something then back away.
I still had the other feelings I grew too afraid to talk about.
But I know they were no different than the strange feelings when dreaming of female teachers and what all might be that I heard of in granfathers stories of him and girls his age and older when a pre-teen and older.
In mid grade school there were some smart and kind male teachers.
Now I am confused.
I had feelings and intrest.
I looked at my body and wondered so much and cried as I was afraid to ask even parents as I was seeing on tv the hate of anything not straight male and female.
Did I know the bible then, Yep. Law, fromTV news, Yep.
I also knew the parts of the bible I talked of above as I dive into anything when I research.
I also saw much conflict in morals when it seemed too easy to toss some out and keep others and the story still be moral.
I was thinking deep way back then.
I knew love.
Thats what I had for my family and they all had for me.
Deep, no conditions, not one better over another, would do anything for who you love and more.
No sex happen, But love I got figured very well.
Its not just when all is great. Its what is there even when all goes to hell.
So this "no strings attached" world today and calling it love just does not work for me.
See, I was young and on the target for so much and all figured on my own yet sweet male teachers was the part I had to figure now.
I asked myself. Does a soul have a gender without a body?
I looked at the boys and girls my age.
The few girls who acted like girls were made out to act looked down on me even when I was the only one to even try to talk to them and be nice.
The others were some range of tomboy as called then.
A few nice, but just because it was the right thing to do.
Who truly like me were black girls even before rade school.
I had no idea why.
I was just myself.
I was afraid as the black boys got mad and told em to stay away from their girls.
I was not the one making the first move to say hi or keep talking, they were.
I asked my parents as I knew some said the bible made it clear what they were when I never could find it.
I was told about how my parents were in schools that were just intergrating even that late into history.
They told me they are no different.
We are all human and its how we treat others that makes us different be it good or bad.
Ok,
So race is no issue.
Yes.
I can talk to the girls who do like me!.
Nope.
The black boys beat me and even the girls who gave me their number said to hang up if their father answered.
Ok, Like I am going to keep on that road and get killed. :(
I was nice, Tol them what was going on and they were ok.
They did wish things were different.
I did too.
They were the only ones ever in school to treat me as I do others.
Does anyone talk of white boys in school just wanting someone to talk to and if they were black girls then the boy got beat? nope.
Again add to what has been said.
Now add that I feared black boys and their fathers.
Mothers seemd to like me ok.
Some were my mothers school friends.
They realy showed me all was ok if they were of same mindset as I was that race is not something to use as hate.
Still, back to being a kid but older.
I had no one.
I cried and wished I could change my body or anything to stop the hate.
It was never about my gender, But I questioned all I was anyway.
I saw little in myself.
I lost all value in me.
I can not be an ass and think I am great is hated. I must be defective.
I backed away from all harm.
I protected myself by giving others all the room I could.
Thats how great people are.
In my time alone I thought of my feelings.
I knew how things worked with females.
And I was told not to take. I saw adult females talk of how males treated them and was wham bam and so on.
I felt one way taking was not right and could not understand why others did this?
That would make me the giving lover I am today. I will not give to who is not giving on thier own to me.
I won't even get around that type who cares less.
So why bring all that up.
Here is why.
Looking at my body.
knowing my feelings as I explored all those years and still doing.
If with a girl it works a way then it must be somrthing like that with a boy.
Could it be?
Where I and others go to the bathroom be how its done?
Well, I piss out of what is used with girls so is it that simple yet gross?
Does a girl think using what I piss out of is gross to go in them in their spot boys place it in?
See, Logic at work in a child.
So it was.
If a sweet male teacher OR now a female teachers nice boy or her husband (they had to be sweet, how could they not if the woman was so warm and kind to me?) would be careful and want to teach me what I had no clue about being this other feeling and that hole then I was ready for that too.
Just logic, If they had a boy then size would be around my body and age so no issues but if the husband. Well, they should be caring and if I know that there is a size difference then if they don't act like it thats a clue they don't care if I get hurt while exploring what I don't understand.
Again, amazing logic of a childs mind. I did think of as much as I could.
Being that black gorls seem to like me, I from then forward had been thinking of what if they picked me and what all would we explore?
Then, late grade school.
A very shy boy just like me was being picked on.
I went over as he was crying.
His first day and it was hell.
I was ready to be hurt.
But he accepted me talking and asked I sit.
He became my first best friend and was for many years before he had to move.
He was always happy to see me, Missed me if I was sick and out of school and asked if I was ok.
He was like me! Someone who was nice and cared!
He did as I did!
WOW.
He never wanted any other friend, I did not also.
We were always happy together.
Not a thought of sex once.
We had found a true friend in life.
He was emotinal.
Well, I was too in ways but hid it well.
We were into what boys were into.
The look we had in our eyes when we first saw the other each day was like all turned great if it was not.
Before jr high those feelings were very much in me.
I loved being around him and we always wanted to find things we both liked to do together.
But I had great fear.
People got beat and so much just for finding someone who cared about another.
There were weird times we turned together not knowing where the other was and ended face to face and so on.
We both turned red and smiled.
I wished he would just make a move if that happen and steal a quick peck to see how I acted.
We heard others hate and stop being friends when one told the other they had feelings for thier own gender.
We both said it was stupid to loose a friend over that.
So, we know how we view things.
The PE teacher when there were not enough boy/girl matches would place us together for things like dancing and so on. Why was told to all.
All the others had picked someone so they places the ones together who would not punch the other out. LOL..
We smiled each time.
Nothing ever happen. But I had gone over what I would do and what I just had too much fear to do.
I was ready if he was.
We were so happy any time and all the time.
We went to each others house and so on and nothing happen.
rest rooms and nothing.
At the last day of Jr High, someone called him gay.
It hit him bad.
he ran off crying and saying "not again".
I knew then he was just a very sweet person and great in all ways.
But he was not going to be interested in me or he was too afraid.
Then he and his parents moved away.
I was crushed.
I lost someone, The only person to care about me deeply. I cared deeply for him.
I think after that I earn the right to say much on this subject.
There was another who crossed the gender line in high school.
A female.
She was new and asked if she could sit with me and eat.
Sure.
I was not sure what she saw in me, but its just to eat and talk, right?
That turned into years of a commited relationship ended not by her or my choice. We lost her forever.
But she was who told her parents she was ready and they better be as she was making love to me. We were both virgins and we shared the same feelings as I once had for that sweet boy not too long ago.
Her family had me over and were impressed.
We got along and acted like family.
Her sister like me and approved.
Her parents knew thier little girl found who she wanted and gave us the house knowing all that happen.
Same is we were together any place.
If we felt like making love or just wanted to hold in ways a little bit in need of a room then we did together.
No force, no power over the other, no anything other than giving lovers.
She must have talked to her mother.
She sat down and found it hard to find the words, but I helped and she soon was talking easy about the type of person and lover I was to her daughter.
She said she was glad it was me she picked.
Anything we or I needed, Just talk to her and she would help.
our parents even saw each other to see what raised us to say.
our mothers talked much about us and it was all good.
I never once took from my love.
Even when I did, it was not taking as she asked me to.
Sometimes she wanted to see me just have an orgasm and she smiled seeing and feeling me.
I did the same even when more hard being male and how the body works.
Foreplay and oral was key and always great.
She gave oral just because she wanted to as she knew I would like it.
Some times it was over and over.
Others it was hours of on the edge and then once.
It was so many ways and always holding and looking at each other happy in a way no words can do right.
I respected ahything she felt and she did the same for me.
We even changed in time on some things by our own choices to try and find we loved what we explored.
I now miss her and that sweet boy who cared for me so much.
The body was never a thing.
I found its the person that is what I want to be with forever.
The body and what is shared is just what happens to share what we feel for each other and no who is what or alpha or anything.
Why all that said?
I wanted a clear picture as best as I could get so much said to show I have enough to prove I am what I say next and no one can say different.
I read profiles.
"you must be this and that".
"you do till you cry"
"You are dirt and a hole"
"you were born to be used"
"You are a (very bad word of race) and are to be a slave"
"you have no rights"
"you are not even human"
"You are for all to use as I see fit"
I can keep going.
Now what I see is people who feel that way about others telling them what is right and wrong.
That is where it all falls apart.
Take all I have said on law,morals,everything....
Take how people will just say and show what a life is to them.
But we all are here.
Now, who has the right to take a group of people who do something, are of a gender or race, what ever you can think of nd tell them they are right or wrong when some are not so right in wha they do also.
I get tired of the same attacks and fall backs to law and morals.
Not too long ago to not be straight was 100% as bad as all that people are tossing around in this thread.
So was any oral or anal or any kind.
So just who makes the rules?
Who slaps the label on a person and makes the roles they must follow to be the perfect example of that term given?
Don't use the "if we did not have laws or morals" card as that is yet another way to avoid thinking about what people do, say and how they treat another.
Do I back some sexual side of an issue?
NO.
I do think years of tossing stones and not thinking of the damage done in doing so before taking thought just who makes morals,laws or hand picks what is accepted also does and sees no issues with at all.
There are people who thinks its fine to screw someone known to have all you can think of and then lie to another making it seem they care so much but its all because they have a thing that gets them off and its seeing how far they can push their luck not to catch something and also if they do then to mess up someone else knowing exactly what they are doing.
Is this illegal?
If it were a loaded gun it would be.
But I saw some place many say this to make it all ok...
Its the other persons job to be careful and if they are not then its their fault.
Hmmm.
I just think till humans can 100% as a race of beings have a strong respect for them self and each other and truly care like it means something to them then we need to stop hand picking what we think is right and wrong then jumping all over someone about it.
The only thing one can judge by in a world were I am not even sure if any person knows all that is going on and the games people play with others is simple...
Are all involved wanting what will happen?
Is it being done with the only factor being to harm in anyway the health or well being of others with out caring how many it an harm beyond that one act?
Do you keep in mind to always make sure that even when all were fine with what was to happen that something may be going wrong and need to stop and see what it is and talk about it?
To be blunt...
This and more is from basic respect even if what is done is not seen a right by all.
Yes, I have heard people talk of making love to their dog and its FAR MORE KIND and taking WAY MORE note of the others feelings and if it should stop.
One can force them self on anything dead or alive and only care of the self pleasure with no care of another at all.
That is the laws broken each day to each person how some treat others as nothing but a speed bump.
Also, does any person here go crazy seeing sex while snorting tracks on a table?
Not that I can tell and those drugs are for sure illegal and never took down yet so much is because of ones personal feel about how wrong something is.
In the end its not a law or a moral.
Its how you choose to see something and treat another being or even see they are one just like you. :(
Is this a hate speach.
No.
Never even crossed my mind or was that what I wanted this to be seen as in the end.
What I hoped was when seen it makes one think of a picture larger than they ever have before and place it all into context before making another group to say is some how not human or what ever one thinks before slamming them an all their kind.
Long ago much of what we do today including just touching places would get a finger removed or worse and thats was the law.
Do not forget that places still do such that many never think about.
What would solve the most issues all at ne was the basing things I said we can feel about another being.
Care about their feeling, well being, health, if they are hurt or need help and for sure stop holding help back over something as stupid as the cost of it.
Greed has done more harm than anything humans have made and still its not made 100% illegal with the outcome to who did it be the same as what happen.
That in many cases would be to be put to death as the greed caused it.
I wish people truly looked at the world and figured out something else.
The people who fight for their right to be what they are may find one day they need the others they left behind as there will always be someone who thinks we all who over many years got the right to live as we are should be put back where thay had us.
We need to find common ground or some one will pit us against the other till that ground is all lost and they win in the end and all who got to see the light will be made to hide again as they would be all illegal.
Sad to see the old way to divide people and use them still works when so many should have figured out this trick long ago from the dark ages.
This site would be shut down if some had their way.
Just like so many in the last few years in the name to make things better and so a laws are made to shut down what a few see as bad.
I give up.
The human race will never stop using each other to make groups who have rights over those who have no say at all.
Again.
No hate.
Just extream sadness people can not see respect and real love for each other with all their life could fix more all at once, But the game of pick and choose who needs to be hated still goes on in its place..
So sad...
